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Time:11:59 am
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Ha, ha, ha!!! So it looks like Elijah will be in England on 22 Aug for the Hooligans prem. Sorry to be cryptic, but only a couple of you will appreciate the irony of that for me;o) ETA: Lexi Alexander left a message on the IMDB message board in which she said "The entire cast will unite for the London premiere and this will be the first time all of us will be together since the shoot. The lads, Claire and myself are really looking forward to it." So I'm assuming that includes Lij:) The whole message is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385002/board/thread/19881005

If anyone missed oselle's brilliant 'LEGEND' you'll be very happy to know she has reposted it, along with another spot-on piece of writing exposing the w*****s for exactly what they are. If you simply admire Elijah for the wonderful actor he is and that's as far as it goes, this is probably not for you. But if, like me, you adore everything about him and his life, even down to his chewed fingernails & his manic giggle, if even the name Elijah now has a magical feel to it, you will probably find that oselle has put your feelings into words in the most perfect way. I know she has mine - I'm not saying that every single thing she says is exactly what I think, perhaps just 99%!! And that includes her references to 'domlijah'. But, being the Frodophile that I am, I particularly adored this:

Isn’t Elijah’s acting more important than the legend of Elijah Wood?

Well…not really. But before you start throwing things, let me stress that the legend cannot exist without the work – especially not without Frodo. Frodo of course, is legendary himself, as is everything associated with Lord of the Rings. The books were legendary, the way the movies were made was legendary…all of it, legend. And Frodo is a huge part of the legend of Elijah Wood, but not just for the caliber of Elijah’s performance – because no one but Elijah could have been Frodo, just as no one but Frodo Baggins could have carried the Ring to Mount Doom. And I also think that making those movies had a profound effect on Elijah at a pivotal time in his life and that they helped to make him into the person he is. So in the case of Elijah’s role as Frodo, the work is not less or more important than the legend, it simply is legend – the perfect synergy of Elijah’s work, Elijah himself and the incredible legend that was the creation of those films and that time in his life and ours.


And doesn't she absolutely nail it here?:

Elijah’s wholeness is evident in his lack of all the ills that are the result of being broken up, like jealousy, anger, pettiness, vanity and that biggest one of all, pride. He is almost outrageously modest, something that is all the more extraordinary because of the life he leads. We would expect someone like Elijah to be anything but modest – anyone so good-looking, talented, successful and wealthy should, in the usual way things work, be an arrogant bastard

I doubt Elijah would want to be considered a legend - but even that - his not wanting to be - is part of the legend - if that makes any sense!!

I was sickened by the abuse oselle received from certain quarters for this post. This is what I said in one of my posts to her:

"On the very rare occasions I've visited FW or DLA I've always come away not knowing whether to laugh, weep or vomit. These people spend all their online time stirring up a bottomless cesspit of venom & they have the barefaced nerve to preach to others about getting a life!! Why are they there? What is the point of them? Have they ever loved or admired anyone or anything, or is their whole raison d'etre just to point the finger, sneer & ridicule. I should pity them but I feel nothing but loathing. The last time I went there I found some really nasty stuff about one of my friends which I happened to know was completely untrue. I hope she never read it, but I'm sure she'd have had a good case for libel against them. And I'm sure if I bothered to dig deep enough I'd find my name in there somewhere but I prefer to spend my precious online time in far more pleasant ways. PLEASE - don't let them get to you, they're nothing, not worth wasting a moment on - just carry on being true to yourself, writing whatever you want to because you know there are so many of us who love to read it." Not Alone

oselle will be gone for a while. When she returns I hope I will be one of the lucky ones to "play in her backyard".

This is where you can read 'LEGEND': http://www.livejournal.com/users/oselle/230092.html?#cutid1
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primula_baggins
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Time:2005-06-03 01:29 pm (UTC)
Lij will be at the Hooligans premiere? Where did you see that? I'm so happy for those in the UK. I thought he might be there because after all he is the star and this is the first real showing of it outside a film festival. Will you go try to get a glimpse of him?

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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 02:03 pm (UTC)
Lexi Alexander left a message on the IMDB message board in which she said "The entire cast will unite for the London premiere and this will be the first time all of us will be together since the shoot. The lads, Claire and myself are really looking forward to it." So I'm assuming that includes Lij:) The whole message is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385002/board/thread/19881005
Perhaps I should edit my post to include this info. I will be abroad at that time otherwise I'd probably go, although prems are such hit & miss affairs, aren't they?

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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 02:41 pm (UTC)
I know it can be hurtful when you come up against those sorts of people, but I'm determined not to let them affect me again & I urge you to do the same (I'm sure they'll have a field day if they happen upon my LJ, if they haven't done already!). They really are a pathetic bunch - please try not to let them get to you - you're entitled to say what you want - let them stew in their own juice:)
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wisteria_way
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Time:2005-06-03 07:22 pm (UTC)
This whole attack on Oselle has me absolutely furious.

Why can't she or any of us say what we like in our own journals without these online bullies attacking?

I feel sorry for anyone who has a run in with these people. They are the lowest of the low on Live Journal and they live only to abuse others. I've been there. I know what it's like. At one time they got to me so badly that I nearly couldn't go on anymore.

But I'm over that now. Now I am angry, not defensive. I fully intend to 'Stand my ground' against the wankers. They've had control of Live journal for far too long.
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 08:55 pm (UTC)
The few occasions I've been to those places are usually the result of getting curious about a remark or a conversation elsewhere & wanting to find out where it all started. And every time I've regretted it. I've often longed to reply to certain posts but am very glad I've always forced myself not to - I know they'd just make mincemeat of me, they've had enough practice at that - its all they ever do!!
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mother2012
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Time:2005-06-03 10:48 pm (UTC)
They've made mincemeat of me, too. I just don't go there, and regretted the twice that I did.

Mews, don't let them get to you. The thing is that they aren't interested in having an intellectual conversation. Or a friendly one. Or a reasonable one. All they care about is turning your words upside down to distort the meaning, thus looking 'clever' to themselves.
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notabluemaia
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Time:2005-06-03 02:51 pm (UTC)
Hi - I missed the whole thing, and never go to those snarky ljs - but am delighted to see this heads-up re Oselle's 'Legend' - I'll read asap, and know that I'll enjoy it a lot. I, too, admire Elijah (!) - and admire, as well, Oselle's excellent writing and prose.

Just wanted to throw in my two cents as one who loves LotR, and the gentle community of writers, readers, artists inspired by book and film.
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notabluemaia
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Time:2005-06-03 03:09 pm (UTC)
By the way - I friended Oselle because of the rationality of her 'wank' article, and in hopes that she'll be writing more stories. Hope she sees this here - comments were disabled, and I did not wish to barge in upon another post of hers. Ah, well. (I never mind unexpected 'friendings' - hope she does not, either!)
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 09:01 pm (UTC)
I'm sure she'll be delighted that you've friended her:)
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 09:00 pm (UTC)
I think staying away from those places is a very good idea. Thats certainly what I intend to do in future. And you're right, Oselle is an excellent writer and this piece just took my breath away. Thanks for commenting:)
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janejanejane
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Time:2005-06-03 02:54 pm (UTC)
I was so surprised to read this, I don't know what you are referring to because it's not something I've encountered myself, FW or DLA, whatever they are, but it has obviously really annoyed and upset you, dear friend, and that upsets me.

I can't really join in the debate but I want to offer my support for all those like yourself and oselle who love and adore Elijah - I do too, with all my heart so I can completely understand why you do. He is a very special man and deserves all the love and praise and good fortune that have come his way.

He'll be here for "Hooligans" the premiere? Of course I'll be on the other side of the world in NZ! Typical - where Lij is, I'm NOT! :( Still, it's good news for his other fans who can see him attend the prem... :)
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 09:24 pm (UTC)
Believe me, FW (FandomWank) & DLA (DataLoungeAnon, I think)are places its best to stay away from. As I said to Wisteria Way above, I've usually found myself there when trying to discover the source of a comment or a conversation going on elsewhere, and I've always regretted it. These are LJ communities which exist just for the purpose of criticising, picking on others, holding people up to ridicule, and its not just fans who are their victims but also actors & celebrities. And it is not a fun thing by any stretch of the imagination. Their aim is to hurt & humiliate. As an example, these are the people who thought it was highly amusing that some fans were rather concerned when Elijah was dangerously ill with a burst appendix. Nice, aren't they?

I thought you may be in NZ at that time!! And as he comes in, we'll be going out:D Would you have gone? I assume it'll be in London. I don't really think I would - standing for hours in a crowd when the best you can hope for is a quick glimpse, and you may not even get that. No - I prefer cons even if they are run by money-grabbers - at least then, if you're willing to pay, you're entitled to some interaction, however brief.

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janejanejane
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Time:2005-06-03 11:33 pm (UTC)
I think I will avoid them, FW AND DLA - thanks for the tip! Why do such sites exist????

I can't imagine why some people would find it amusing that fans would be concerned about Elijah's burst appendix... Poor love! They must be very sick, that's all I can say!

I agree, premieres are not the place to have interaction with our actors - it seems that cons are the way to go, although they are moneymaking enterprises... Better than nothing, anyway!
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ourdramaqueen
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Time:2005-06-03 07:51 pm (UTC)
I hope that really was Lexi posting!

And yes I heard about that wank - sadly I can't say I'm surprised.

Elijah IS special - no doubt about that! :D
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-03 09:29 pm (UTC)
"I hope that really was Lexi posting!

That thought did occur to me, & when someone mentioned that she'd posted there my immediate thought was "I bet she hasn't". But it certainly does come across as authentic - at least it did when I read it this morning!! *Goes back to read it again*

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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-04 09:42 am (UTC)
Oh dear, that certainly is ironic!! But - there's always Ring Con!! You never know!! The irony in my case is that 22 Aug we will be flying out of England to Florida - having a few days holiday there in the run up to ELF - where Elijah is appearing on the Sunday!!
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tempest_415
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Time:2005-06-04 03:09 am (UTC)
I also watched in horror at the vicious treatment Oselle got to her wonderful essay. And I'm glad to get a chance to thank you for your well worded response. I know I'm not articulate enough to have said it so well.
I do want to say to everyone who might meet the same that it is a mistake to respond in anyway. It's like throwing blood in the waters, you merely encourage a feeding frenzy of these sharks.
Having said that, I also want to say, that although I felt it was unwise for Oselle to try to defend herself, I couldn't help but be impressed by her fighting spirit, the amount of reasonableness, and the clear-headed analysis that she put into her attempt to reason with these persons. I was so proud of her.
Lastly, if you find you can't keep yourself from getting involved in one of these, try as much as possible to phrase what you want to say as questions, or at least avoid statements as much as possible. It changes the dynamic that these people have perfected for their games. Statements are food for them, Questions put them on a diet.
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-04 09:47 am (UTC)
You're right, it is a mistake to respond to those pathetic people though sometimes it can be a real temptation. If anyone can put them in their place, Oselle can, which is just what she did, of course. Her skill with words just leaves me in awe!! Thanks for commenting:)
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mother2012
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Time:2005-06-04 05:38 am (UTC)
Thank you for calling my attention to this. To me, Elijah is Legend indeed. And Oselle is a wonderfully reasoned author.

And FW? A bunch of losers. I really love her response to *them*.
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-04 09:50 am (UTC)
I have always loved Oselle's writing and this piece just took my breath away. And yes - she really put those losers in their place.
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lilithlotr
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Time:2005-06-04 07:38 am (UTC)
sorry, but I'm not going to read it. I'm pretty fed up with the whole thing, and I'm not risking driving myself out of the fandom any more than I have.
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-04 09:57 am (UTC)
Not sure if you mean this particular kerfuffle or the wankers in general. I usually prefer not to waste my time on those pathetic people - this is meant to be fun after all, isn't it? - but I was really saddened by these uncalled-for attacks on someone who had produced such an excellent essay.
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lilithlotr
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Time:2005-06-04 10:24 am (UTC)
I would have to disagree with you. When someone posts something as far beyond the fringe as that, they either need to only make it accessible to those who feel similarly (and I am not one of those) or stand up and take the heat. She knew it was wanktastic when she posted it, and admitted as much.

As usual, both sides leave me feeling like I've fallen down the rabbithole. I know what I knew as fandom is gone forever, but I'm not sure I can take what's replaced it.
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-04 07:47 pm (UTC)
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one:) I don't understand the wankers - never have. If someone reads something they dislike or disagree with, they can either ignore it, offer constructive criticism or engage in a reasoned argument, which is exactly what some people did do following Oselle's post & which is what we're doing now. But its the bullying tactics of people at FW etc that I can't stomach - the need to hurt & humiliate. These are adults, but they are adopting the behaviour of the school playground, & I find that really scary. And I don't accept that they're part of fandom because they're not fans of anyone - only themselves.
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frodoholic
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Time:2005-06-04 07:59 pm (UTC)
It seems certain people get their rocks off on spewing hate and venom, hell, they must not have a life so in order to feel "important" they act like The Official Livejournal Gastapo.

Don't play their game. The best way to deal with it is to just IGNORE THEM. They'll just feed on each other until they are no more. Yes, the wank-journals are here, but it doesn't mean anyone has to read them.

((((Oselle & Not_alone))))
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not_alone
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Time:2005-06-05 10:29 pm (UTC)
The best way to deal with it is to just IGNORE THEM. They'll just feed on each other until they are no more

Very true!! I certainly don't intend wasting any more time on them:)
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